After you volunteered your account detenmile to be evaluated by me, we already had a thread i think it was called "fairness challenge: detenmile".

you just admitted to trading favors from game to game in tourneys in SG's thread that you are referring to.

The evaluation was simple and clear and easy:

A) You admit that you trade favors from game to game in tourneys.
B) I witnessed you trade favors from game to game in tourneys.
C) you got almost all your points in the tourneys that you cheated
D) ryan cancelled the night time tourneys due to the evidence that you were cheating so bad in the tourneys

You have no competitive integrity when you are secretly colluding with your friend and trading favors from game to game.

But with the loose rules of kdice its really not necessary to have competitive integrity for each game.

Its not really a personal flaw. I can understand that some people just want to have fun and its their right to do what pleases them.

I am not attacking your honor, from what I hear you are a great guy.

I personally believe that you are honorable.

I was not making a character judgement of you, I was just evaluating your playing style. You are not a fair top player.

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detenmile wrote
at 12:28 AM, Tuesday January 20, 2009 CST

"...in the same manner i think that it should be acceptable to trade favors in a tourny for example. in game 3 i didnt kill you early on. which would have knocked you down to 25 points. as a result you have a shot at placing in the tourney. Now in game 6 you have a choice between killing me (knocking me out of tourney) or killing a slightly stronger opponent then me (knocking him out but keeping me in, or perhaps knocking us both out but putting me in the money)

Now sure some might consider this pga, but i believe that since tourneys span over several games so should the strategy.

i look at it this way favors can and should be traded within a game unit (GU). a GU can be defined as a tournament or a regular game. however if the same people consistantly trade favors over many GUs then they should be considered a pga a dealt with accordingly. What happened in a previous GU should have next to no effect on a current GU.
ok crowd i am prepared for your torches"

YOU THINK ITS OK TO TRADE FAVORS FROM GAME TO GAME IN TOURNEYS. I SAW YOU DO IT IN THREE TOURNEYS BAD ENOUGH FOR ME TO MAKE NOTATION OF IT. RYAN IMMEDIATELY CANCELLED THE NIGHT TOURNEYS BECAUSE OF ALL THE COMPLAINTS AND NO MODERATOR AVAILABLE TO POLICE.

but of course now you will claim that you never did cheat in those tourneys with Debwa?

wow you really think that since debwa is my girlfriend i cheat with her? if one where to look at the games we play together one would notice an insane % of 5ths 6ths and 7ths on my part. and since you still seem caught on the evening tournament i guess i will go dig up my earlier post that completely shoot you out of the water there. Further more the kind of in tourney favors i was reffering to hardly qualify as pga. and it has nothing to do with previous encounters. I will as clearly as i can make a distinction between in tourney favors and PGA

first off repeatedly doing in tourney favors with the same set of people is deffinately a form of pga. doing in tourney favors that in no way benifit you is a form of pga.
Also if i do somebody a favor in a tourney i didnt do it for them, i did it because at the time whatever move i did (or didnt) do seemed benificial to me. I however do not expect my "kindness" (or more like offer to be mutually cooperative/silent truce) to be returned at a later time. I may remind said person at a later time in the tourney that i "helped" them earlier, in the hopes of them helping me. This is not PGA this is good use of the chat box and it is a form of manipulation.

so i'm sorry leek that i didn't feel like expanding my thought process at the time, but i see now that it is needed. I suppose i will have to dig through to forums to find that other post so youll have to hang tight.

ps im so glad i have you without you the forums are lame as hell

detenmile wrote
at 5:21 PM, Sunday December 7, 2008 CST

As far as 3b is concerned i still dont think youve watched me play a game with her yet but the last three games ive played with her she has finished in the negative points and 2 of those three times i was the one that killed her/brought her to the brink of destruction. you will also notice that in the last 3 tournaments where i have payed out none of my so called pgas have been present. now granted 2 of them where low level tourneys but still. in the next 2 payouts 3b is also in the money but she is gone again in my next 3 payouts. so let me break this down for you. 3b was entered into 2 of the 8 tournaments i payed out in.

The other Pga youve accused me of is even more farfetched then that. You accused me of PGA with bombadier ds 65 (bombi). this one makes me laugh oh so hard leek.
I pged bombi for 3 weeks in the month of october i have several witnesses, but im sure you think im pga with all of them so i wont bother unless you really want me too. and again looking at tournaments bombi or his alts appear in only 2 of the tournaments i payed out in and he finished 30th of 49 and 8th of 9 in those two tournies.

i tried to edit out the personal attacks on you bc i would like to retract you i was a little upset at the time i wrote this post. also ill post debs part of this too and the link to the thread where all this was originally posted

Debster wrote
at 2:02 PM, Sunday December 7, 2008 CST
Leek- That's total, 100% B.S. and the fact that you jump to conclusions so quickly leads me to believe that you are a complete idiot. For one, I am not here to defend his integrity, I am here to defend mine. You accused ME of cheating.

To be clear, my relationship with det in rl only has the effect on kdice in that he got me addicted.

Apparently he only got points by cheating with me at tournaments???? If you had actually investigated this AT ALL, you'd realize that's just a ridiculous claim. I have only played 8 tournaments total (alts and all). There is only one tournament where det and my participation overlap... and neither of us won anything that tourney. I have never been in a tournament where det received points.

So, please, don't make up lies so that it seems like there are no decent top players out there. If you find det to be a cheater, fine... but if your going to make an accusation such as this, you should at least look into it enough to actually come to such a conclusion.

P.S. I noticed you didn't watch a single game where we played together. Please do, that way you can realize we are more likely to kill each other than help each other.

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