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friends in tournaments and "PGA"
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Sophalis wrote
at 7:49 AM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST
so, i played my first tournament the other night.
as the timer counted down up in the corner of the screen, the atmosphere in games became increasingly exciteable. various friends of mine and others on my table popped in to ask if we were in. everyone was anticipating the big moment. the tournament started, and, unsurprisingly, a lot of familiar faces from the tables were in there. everyone was chatting and discussing moves. i had a bad couple of games and soon was in the last place in the tournament, (perhaps 37th ish?) although with enough points to play another game. a few friends noticed this and dropped into the table i was watching to tell me to get my act together. everyone was having a laugh and enjoying the games. now, here's where my question starts. in what was potentially my last match in this tournament, i was randomly seated on a table with one of my oldest friends from this game. i hadn't even known he was playing kdice at the time, let alone that he was in the tourney, so i was surprised to see him. obviously, we started chatting. after a few rounds, when we were both doing okay but weren't in a position to do incredibly well, he saw i was on low points and said he would defend me from the much larger player i was fighting. i treated it as any other truce and was grateful for the help. he sort of suicided on the larger player and somehow had a lot of luck with his defends, and suddenly we were in a position to take down the whole table, which we did. doing well in this game meant that i gained back some points, and eventually, ended up getting a top ten place in the tournament. i've been having some moral qualms about that game since. if i hadn't been helped by my friend, i would almost certainly have been out of the tournament; however, a truce with any other player would have helped exactly the same. i know it wasn't a PGA because we arranged nothing beforehand and truced very visibly in the chatbox; it was a genuine truce and i have no worries about that definition. what concerns me is the advantage players with many friends may have in a tournament as opposed to lower table players who haven't yet made many friendships on the site yet, whether this counts as a fair advantage, and whether it is fair to use it as we would any other? the social element of this site is one that most of us value very highly, and being randomly seated with a friend in a tournament is always a nice surprise. i think that acknowledging the other player's presence and working with them without mentioning anything in the chatbox would give the players concerned an unfair advantage, but when a truce is mentioned in the chatbox, and when everyone is aware of it, is it a bad thing? is it any different from any other truce or is this classed as PGA? thoughts on the subject would be appreciated. (i clicked discussion ages ago.) |
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Thraxle wrote
at 8:29 AM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST Sophie, your question is very eloquently put and this is where the grey are lies in KDice. According to Ryan in the "top player culture" thread, the only type of play he is punishing right now is game-to-game favor trading. Of course outright PGA is still not allowed, but the situation you have brought up is valid and open for discussion.
I have argued that this is part of the strategy of KDice............knowing how others play and whether they will be a reliable truce. I'm certain there are some that will read your post and immediately conclude that your play was cheating, but I'm not one of them. This is a social game and creating relationships is part of that aspect. If newer players don't like it, then they should play a little longer, make friends, learn others playing styles, and enjoy this strategic advantage as well. Everyone has been a noob at one point or another and all of us that have been here awhile have made plenty of friends. We all paid our dues at the beginning just like everyone should. The knowledge of knowing your opponet/ally and feeling comfortable with an offer of truce or counter truce with them is important. That is why this is a "social" war game. I see nothing wrong with your play in this instance Sophie. |
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Thraxle wrote
at 8:30 AM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST ****1st sentence should say "area" not "are"
I need my EDIT button!!!! |
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The Dark wrote
at 3:14 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST I try to treat this game as if I were playing Settlers of Catan or Monopoly (or any other game) in real life. In those games, if there were a couple of friends who always favoured each other with beneficial trades, it would ruin the game.
The same thing happens here, as you describe it you did get a huge advantage from a previous friendship, and the friend helped you out only because you were low on points in the tournament, not because it was tactical in the game. This eventually means that tournaments will always be won be people with "friends". Possibly that is how most/some people want the game to be played (i.e. social aspect), but at the moment it isn't clear. All that being said, I don't know how you can (or even if you should) politely refuse when someone offers a needed truce. It is the friend is the one who truced for the wrong reasons. I can see Thraxle's point on knowing who you can trust in an alliance, but I prefer to trust everyone, until they prove they can't be trusted (which has lead to some frustrated swearing). I try to play each game as a new one, without favouring people from games before. My exception to this is PGEs for untrustworthy or nasty people. Tournaments are even more tricky in this respect, certainly towards the end when the games are played one after the other with the same people, it is pretty easy to let a truce in one game influence your decision in the next. |
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The Dark wrote
at 3:15 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST ... try to pretend there are extra carriage returns between each of those paragraphs.
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