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Introducing Multiple Table Tournaments
CoMik wrote
at 9:18 PM, Monday October 13, 2008 EDT
For the last few weeks those of us on the test site have been messing around with Multi Table Tournaments, and they are looking to be heading into the final stages, so I figured I would throw a FAQ of sorts up, and start getting the general kdice population prepared for them.

What are Multi Table Tournaments?

Multi Table Tournaments (MTTs) are a new format of play that will be introduced in the near future. Unlike regular kdice, where your score is changed at the end of each game, and your placement can be determined by an unlucky start or a bad roll, MTT relies on multiple games, giving you a chance to make up for that bad start one game. The tournaments work very similar to tournaments in poker. Everybody has a starting amount, and they stay in the tournament until they lose that starting amount. The longer you stay in, the better chance you have of winning points.

How many people will be in a tournament?

Tournaments will start at set times, and will be open to any that can afford the buy-ins. This means that theoretically hundreds of people could be in a tournament.

Why do you mean by a buy-in?

Like in poker tournaments, some MTTs will require an amount of money to enter it, ranging from nothing to a possible 10,000-point end of the month tournament.

Bigger risk means bigger reward right?

The pot for a tournament is equal to the number of participants times the buy in. Then a bonus is added to it if Ryan wants to. If a tournament had a 500 point buy in with 50 people that is 25,000 points in the pot. Because free tournaments have no buy in, there is a bonus value added to the pots, so you get something for nothing. Not so bad…

How is the pot divided up?

The amount of players getting points is determined by how many players joined the tournament and how many points are in the pot. It is safe to say though, that most of the time you need to make it to the final table to see any points.

How does scoring work?

Scoring for MTT does not contain dominance. However this does not mean it is any simpler. Scoring is entirely based on position. Therefore, your score will be the same if you had 1 land all game and win, or if you have 30. There is a change though, because after each round (1 game for each player) of the tournament, table values go up. The formula for table values is (((x^2)*50)+50)/2, where x is the game number. Because you last until you lose all of your points (the points given at the tournaments start, not your actual points), this means that often times people are playing that don’t have enough points to cover the point level for a table. This means that Side Pots must be used.

What are Side Pots?

Side Pots work just like in poker. Players with more points can risk more, and even if they are beat by a player that has few points, they can often gain points. Side Pots are complicated, so I will use an example. If a person at a 500-point table only has 25 points, and wins, they cannot receive points that they did not risk. This means that often times the person in second or even third who risked more than that 25-point person can earn more than them.

Okay, we have covered scoring and buy-ins, now onto games and maps.

Every game up until the final table will have a random map, and random seating. Unlike poker where you play until you are the only one left, you will be switched to a random table after every game, even if people have points left after they are killed. Not every game you sit in will have 7 people, and in later rounds you will go down to as few as 2 people at a table. The less people that you have when the game starts, the smaller the maps are.

What about the Final Table?

The final table works differently. The map size does decrease with fewer players, but everyone stays in the same seat. To make things even, the player that goes first is not random; instead each game the first turn rotates clockwise around the table. This makes it impossible for the same person to go first for multiple games in a row, earning a significant advantage. Even though the table does not change, The map itself changes with every game.

Is anything else different in MTT?

When you join a MTT table, there will be a leader board for the entire tournament on the left side just above your friends list. This lets you keep track of everybody else’s score, even if they are not at the table.

Strategy for MTT is different from in normal kdice as well, because each tournament contains many games, and somebody getting last in a game makes them less of a threat the next round. There will be many threads on strategies for MTT, so I will not go into any depth here.

Why should I play MTTs?

MTTs offer a completely different experience to kdice. They are to kdice as kdice was to dicewars. It is a far richer, more exciting experience. They introduce new strategies, new complexities. It is a chance to win many points at a relatively low risk. There are many more reasons to try MTTs, but you will just have to try them out for yourself.

I am sure that this did not answer even half of the questions people will have, figured I would just open up the topic for now. If you have any more questions, go ahead and ask.

As of right now MTT is only on the test server at http:// dev.kdice.com:8081/ . Go there and check it out. At this current time its set that 7 people have to join the tournament, and then bots will fill it up to 50.


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JDizzle787 wrote
at 9:22 PM, Monday October 13, 2008 EDT
nice presentation CoMik
Thraxle wrote
at 9:26 PM, Monday October 13, 2008 EDT
fah shizzle JDizzle
kam|k2 wrote
at 10:02 PM, Monday October 13, 2008 EDT
dude, now i rly hate you.
i explained all this to a friend yesterday. and today you write everything down, even in a better way i could explain it.
DAMN YOU!

but well written.
ChristianSoldier wrote
at 4:10 AM, Tuesday October 14, 2008 EDT
+ contributor

You have contributed significantly to MTT ignorance in kdice.
bcmatteagles wrote
at 7:39 AM, Tuesday October 14, 2008 EDT
I've tried out the MTT on the dev server and had a lot of fun, except bot 10 is a complete jerk pge loser who swears and calls people racial slurs. I really think you should consider banning her.

Anyways two observations/points I'd like to make.

1. The smaller maps are fun but it would nice to have them just a bit bigger to allow for a bit of skill to be involved and not purely luck of starting position because as it is I'd say it's about 75% starting position once you get down to 2-3 players at a table.

2. Awarding points solely on place goes way back to early 2007 I think and may cause a lot of grief but I guess it adds a new wrinkle since the table will be incented to kill the player with most points so while I shudder to think of that annoying player who steals 1st by burying an 8 stack in the corner. I guess it will make for some major LOLs when the whole table is trying to kill said player who hides their big stack in the corner.

1.
dasfury wrote
at 8:51 AM, Tuesday October 14, 2008 EDT
Nice write up. Going for a second +?

CoMik wrote
at 9:56 AM, Tuesday October 14, 2008 EDT
Matt from what I've seen dom was just too complicated and too aggressive to be used properly with side pots. And then there is the fact that dom encourages drawing games out when making Tournaments shorter is the goal.

I agree with you on the fact of the final tables, but we haven't seen a really good game changing suggestion on the whole. The best I came up with was suggesting the stationary seats, because last weak it was random and so was who went first, which led to the same person going first 3-4 times. There is still quite a bit of testing, and I'm sure we'll think of something.

On the note of the guy hiding in the corner with his 8 stack, I've not seen too much of it, accept in the regards of when you get to later games, 2nd place wants to protect third place so that he can kill first place, giving himself more points, and taking more from first. But regardless of dominance, this will be the case. Thank you for your insight.

Das, you should do a tournament sometime. The bots play like you. I'd also love to get ANOTHER +, but I don't think I will. Maybe I can get the official FAQ for MTT? And get to make little pictures for it and such?

Cody
CoMik wrote
at 2:11 PM, Wednesday October 15, 2008 EDT
50 man alt tournies are not as fun as 50 man bot tournies :/
dasfury wrote
at 7:30 PM, Wednesday October 15, 2008 EDT
Only concern that I have seen (maybe I'm too lazy to think about it and perhaps comik has addressed this) is that the the points are seeming to max at 3750 as the rounds proceed. The final battle can see-saw for quite a while.

zzzzz.
CoMik wrote
at 9:11 PM, Wednesday October 15, 2008 EDT
As I explained to das, the max table value is 1/2 of the startingValue for each player times number of players. Most tests each player starts with 150, and there are 50 players. This means 7500/2 Or 3750. What this means as that the final two players, if the leader wins one game, it ends. So it's always all in for the underdog.

CoMik
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