I specifically was a moderator to spite you actually.

I wholeheartedly agree with 90% of your post. I agree that it is still toxic to the community, but I never believed that any of the "wars" unless you mean between PGA teams, were fun.


The public knowledge of PGA and other methods have and continue to warp the judgment of our benevolent creator in punishment (Ryan, you're awesome, but I still disagree with your methods).

Also, it would've been impossible for the cabal to keep quiet. And there have been players nuts about the fairness of the game almost since it's conception. Also, one key detail people tend to forget: remember those arguments with Mikeinrussia about "friends"?

doesnt seem to matter how many times i try to explain what the cabal was, people still try to warp the truth to further their own claims and beliefs.

but i will never get tired of repeating my experience of what the cabal was. my experience is not second-hand. my observation didnt come from outside (like leekstep and everyone else after him who claim to know exactly what the cabal was and did). this is genuine inside information, no bias applied, just an account of my experience. only two people might have a better grasp of what happened in the cabal: rnd and integral. they were the only two higher up the cabal chain than i was. well, maybe a third has more of a grasp than i: comik. he knew a lot of the shit, but didnt care to get involved.

anyways...

the cabal basically revolved around one relationship: integral was rnd's bitch. integral didnt mind rnd getting all the spotlight, he was cool with letting rnd take a greater percentage of 1sts. int really didnt care too much for png trophies. rnd did, and wanted everyone to know that not only was he the best, but also that if you didnt give him the respect he demanded, then he could destroy your kdice experience.

it needs to be emphasized that every member of the cabal had a different personality, and different interactions with other members of the cabal. int didnt mind rnd taking the spotlight, or rnd lording it over him as though he truly was a better player than int. when i came into the circle, i appreciated int's personality, the whole 'i dont care for ultimate authority' thing, so he and i got along just fine. my personal experience with rnd... well, it was fun to witness his antics, to watch everyone else bitch as i protected his ass and gave him an undeserved 2nd, or to watch him exact revenge on so many people who called into question his majesty of majesties. but i would butt heads with him fairly regularly because i would only split 1sts with him. if i won the game, and felt i deserved the 1st, i goddamn well took it. he didnt like this, he wanted me to flag out 2nd, and let him take the first, because thats what the cabal was all about: helping rnd. but this is where i disagreed with him, i didnt give a shit about making explicitly rnd's score higher. i wanted to split the rewards of the pga evenly. this is where int and i differed, int preferred being the bitch.

im not so sure about dasfury's involvement in the cabal (he can tell us himself), but he came after me. we all joked that das was always the bitch of the cabal, because whenever 2 of us sat in a game together, das would get 2nd. whenever 3 sat together, das would get 3rd. whenever the cabal would lose a game, das was told to flag out 7th, so rnd or whoever could get at least a 4th or something.

wishbone came in soon after das, and i got along with him much better than i got along even with int. wish has (or had at least) a very erratic personality, would have insane turns, type in all caps constantly (actually holding shift). and i like that personality, that says what he feels, no holds barred.

Vermont was, in my opinion, the typical caballer. he joined without realizing it, he loved being nice to some members (like me and das), and purely hated other members (rnd). when he found out that one of the cabals primary goals was to feed rnd points, he had a minor aneurysm, quit the game for 3 hours, then quit the cabal.

see, this is the enigma about the cabal: there was never an all-important goal to it. there was never a tight rein on who is part of it and who is not. there were other members of the cabal whom i completely detested (riser), and never played with. across this mass of people, there was plenty of conflicting interests. the only constant, really, was that int was rnds bitch.

im not saying it wasnt cheating, it definitely was. sitting in with a pga dramatically increased your odds at winning, especially when you are trucing others at the table in-game as well.

my only issue is that people who werent a part of the cabal, or people who formed the anticabal, or people who joined the game well after the cabal broke up... they all make these completely offbase statements concerning the cabal that are nowhere close to the truth.

the biggest misconception i can think of: cabal members agree to never attack each other. i pged rnd for weeks, whenever i felt his ego was getting out of control. i felt the need to make sure he knew that he didnt control me. it would get to the point that he would not sit down at the same table as me.

anyways, sorry to spout off. its just that i saw wish and xc post megalong posts, so i felt the urge to compete.

Well I won't be that long. But Monte's view of the cabal is fairly accurate. Though the only times I played with the cabal, I was the one that was given games. Meh. Int was clearly the better player, but adam had what most kdice 1st place people have, obsession. That's all I can be bothered to say on the subject.

Nice post Monte. Looks like you missed the point.

What a genuine thrill to reflect on the so many times I denied rnd the pleasure of my joining his filthy little network. Though I miss him.

i didn't read it but i disagree because you typed it.

Typing all that about an online dice game seems slightly pathetic

oh boy .10

lol@ i disagree bc you typed it