Here's the full conversation...

fiero600: the cabal decides as a group who wins each month? and if anyone objects, they're the enemy

bcmatteagles: not really

fiero600: well, what's my abuse of power then? everyone screams abuse abuse abuse

bcmatteagles: the mob (cabal) wants a fair fight and when they see that not happening they take action

fiero600: i pull them aside and ask them and they say "uh, i dunno" some say "you ban everyone who challenges voh!" i say "who?" they say "uh....rnd?" LOL
(who cares about that)

fiero600: there was a fair fight

bcmatteagles: i don't care who you ban or whatever, i just dont like that you get so involved with it and think it's your job to control who people think deserves 1st

fiero600: who people think deserves 1'st?

bcmatteagles: if they think someone deserves 1st and play to that person's strength so be it

fiero600: i think that's insane

bcmatteagles: well hear me out

fiero600: we do not as a community decide who gets 1'st
fiero600: no, its stupid

bcmatteagles: in every game you have a decision of who we want to attack almost every time there's 1 or more good options

fiero600: i hear people say, if the cabal doesn't like who's in 1'st, they will mass 10k pga someone else
fiero600: that's dumb

bcmatteagles: is it? why?
fiero600: because its a group of less than 10 guys who play all the time and are obsessed they do not speak for the community
bcmatteagles: so what
bcmatteagles: the community doesnt care about getting first so who cares

fiero600: you're damn right i get involved when i see cabal throwing their "canidate" games

bcmatteagles: why? how is that your job as a moderator where does it say that you should control game play?

fiero600: ryan said
fiero600: PGA IS CHEATING

bcmatteagles: you can't control human nature

fiero600: 5 people sitting at a table, deciding they want 1 guy to win 4 games in a row
fiero600: is cheating
fiero600: dont argue with me its cheating man

bcmatteagles: not really it's how things work dude people tend to work together to achieve a common goal
bcmatteagles: you trying to control them in the other direction is just as bad if not worse then what they're doing

fiero600: ok man, thats the worst arguement ive heard so far
fiero600: im gonna let you go on that one kid

bcmatteagles: ??
bcmatteagles: fiero what are u talking about you're going to let me go?

fiero600: it means
fiero600: have a nice morning
fiero600: im sorry i even bothered

bcmatteagles: too bad - i think it's a legitimate conversation

fiero600: it's not
fiero600: at all

bcmatteagles: let the mob work and figure out who ends up on top or let one individual try to control things in the end it's not going to be about the best player because everything about a 10k game is politics so it's going to be who the mob chooses to not attack in a 10k game how can you even argue that point?

Just to be completely transparent, this guy tried to be "nice" to me so I realize he's not a bad guy. Then goes ahead and quotes me out of context.

I stand by what I said the mob will decide who ends up in 1st, it's just the reality. 90% of the people on kdice could give 2 shits about who ends up in first. Let the small group have their fun and do the stupid 1st place jockeying that always happens at the end of the month.

Moderators should be there to ban players for blatantly abusive language and harassment but not for game play. Game play abuses are so subjective and having someone who is excessively interested in the game (like fiero) is a very bad idea.

whyd you leave so much out?
5man pga at a 10k for 5 wins in a row is cheating
period

and seriously... the mob/cabal arguement is terrible...really terrible

The full conversation is there besides maybe the first 10 lines where you talked about how you're super passionate about the game and how a good moderator should be excessively involved in the game because a lot of them don't even log on.

Besides that all the lines I added were just to make it easier to read.

I got a quip in there too. I was edited out. I forgive you though BCM. So I'll add it.

XCRobin: Morning!

fiero, you ever thought this game is about whos the best?

i wanted top 3 this month, and i played hard, but after all i gave up a few days ago...

sometimes you cant beat these politics, thats the way. and remember the discussions about you and voh...

@bc: the community cares for top places, but truly the most player are just nubs, and got not the social skills - so for real, on the other hand youre truly right.

ryan rly needs to implement official teams and teamup games, so theres no need anymore, for most of the drama...



p.s.: i think you both need to reconsider your opinions.

my vote for official and legit team games!

To Quote Monte from another thread

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"its quite funny that fiero is concerned about others (i.e. zosod) throwing games (a game) to nuflis, and says this is cheating, and threatens action against it in forum (which Ryan already told everyone that he handles cheating explicitly, while the mods are to handle abusive chat and avatars, only)"
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Clearly fiero explicity said that he doesn't agree with this and that he thinks it's his responsibility to also somehow try to manipulate the game play so that a certain player won't win.

If that isn't grounds for him to lose his status as a moderator then I don't know what is. In fact if he was even a little bit honorable he'd realize that he gets too emotionally wrapped up in the game and should step down on his own.

bcmatteagles = brainwashed