Yeah.

/sign

/Signed

im still an ELO kid. sorry sam.

I found farming was a MUCH bigger problem when we had the September-December system. And there are few things in kdiceland I hate more than farming.

Maybe it's just my bias because I seem to be better at the new system, I dunno.

I think people tend to forget the old-style whining and start to focus on the new-style whining after a certain amount of time has passed since the previous update. We've seen this time and time again as significant changes have been rolled out.

Remember how awful the whining was before dom came in to being, when a powerful player would protect someone just to keep them alive?

That being said, I actually agree that the instant-surrender flag system was better, not because I think the whining has increased with its disappearance, but because there's less fighting in the end-game now.

I probaly shouldn't have mentioned any reasons as they all have been stated before and saying anyone individualy takes away from the many others.

Farming is more brutal now then it was as you have no way to save your dom, this sucks. Also trust me, farming is far from gone, maybe people do it less then before, as it does take a little more effort but that hasn't stopped me from doing it from time to time.

Flag and surrender encouraged action, the current system does not, hell that should have been the thesis behind my post the whole time so I say it again:

Flag and surrender encouraged action, the current system does not,

Action makes kdice great, this system does not.

Sam, I agree with your most recent post. Well said, old chap.

I still like the way it is now more, but Sam, that post ALMOST converted me. I will give you that the old system created action this does not. I just hated the farming in the old system, and ya it still does occur, not as much. But as I said, VERY good point, I'm almost converted.

signed.

the new flagging system was evidently meant to encourage honour and trust, i.e. a player flags for second, therefore is not a threat to first, and has proven this with their flag, etc.

however,

1. this creates a first / second truce, and if 3rd, 4th, etc were at this point close to being second, and wanted a shot at it, they get screwed, as does everyone else.

2. 2 players can flag for second and then systematically take out first

3. a player can flag for second, leaving first to sit while he grows stronger, then take out first and give his PGA / truce partner / friend third

4. a player can ninja flag for second, third etc and be undeservedly awarded it by first because they "flagged first", with everyone else being taken out.

5. fighting for a position is discouraged because this will lose first place dom, which takes a LOT of fun out of the game.

6. players often flag early (round 5, 6, 7) fror second, third etc, thus killing the entire game

feel free to add more.