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Sometimes flagging etiquette is taken too far
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Crissy wrote
at 12:41 AM, Thursday February 14, 2008 EST
Sometimes flagging etiquette sucks
I've run into a few situations where someone else flagging generally ruined the game for me... perhaps you'll agree, perhaps you won't, but I want to put some thoughts out there for fodder. As to flagging etiquette, I mostly like it. Because it seems to give a sence of respect to the game and players are more likely to receive respectful conduct from their opponents. However I've had many games lately where the person flagging did so at a time that foils my plans for victory, or at least a solid slot at second. The crux of this flagging problems comes from the generally pereved notion that flagging means that those who are first and/or those higher than the flagger shouldn't attack the flagger... and if they do they are somehow ashalts... sometimes it's taken too far. I've noticed a pattern of flagging that generally annoys the hell out of me... Situation 1: There are three players left on the board. You are first, but not so strong that a couple of bad rounds wouldn't sway your position. You develope a stratigy... and part of it includes taking down another player and becoming stronger by holding his territories. Then said player flags. Now you are in a positon that if you attack the flagger, you are made out to be a jerk... but if you don't your chances of holding first, or even second are weak at best. Situation 2: There are three or four players on the board. You are second, third or fourth, but have a pretty good chance of becoming first or second in a couple of rounds. Then one of the players flags... now all attacks are you. By your next turn you are solidly in last place, and are likely to be taken out in the next round. So one freaking flagger and this flagging etiquette has forced you to take a big point hit... lame. So on one side of the coin I like that fact that there is an etiquette of conduct that allows games to remain respectful... but sometimes this etiquette is abused and generally ruins the game for you... So the question I pose is, when is it proper to break this flagging etiquette? |
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r0n wrote
at 2:15 AM, Thursday February 14, 2008 EST There is no flag etiquette. Kill or be killed, baby.
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DCWoody wrote
at 4:55 AM, Thursday February 14, 2008 EST This sorta thing is pissing me off to the extent that I'm considering doing my best to kill anyone who flags for 2nd or 3rd.
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krez wrote
at 10:58 AM, Thursday February 14, 2008 EST Flags are there to be respected for. And so what, if u r in Sit.2 and u didn flaged for 3rd/2nd wanting to get more, u were just greedy. I think, flaging in the right time is much more intelgent way of getting out of a game which u couldnt win and go to the next one, then killing yourself by trying to reach upper level.
I am pissed by others, who dont respect your flag and kill u, while 2nd. So the less smaller player than u (3rd or even 4th) can get your place, just cauz he didnt attacked the 1st. Ppl are different and thatsway its mostly fun to play the game :). GL |
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blacksmithson wrote
at 7:00 PM, Thursday February 14, 2008 EST each game is each game, so go for your strongest position, kill if the flag player has been attacking you lots then it is your duty to continue the fight in my book.
flagging shouldn't be a cowards shroud which too often it is making alliances at the right time is also important and you should honour the alliance the best you can and if that means attackign a flag that is the case. |
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Shevar wrote
at 2:43 AM, Friday February 15, 2008 EST Lets say I am in 2nd and the guy next to me flags for 3rd. If I can get 1st by killing the flagged fag I do it.
Screw the etiquette. Screw fairness. Go for the win! In general I respect flags, but if it keeps me from fighting for 1st, i kill the flagger. Because in my opinion I deserve my 1st more than he deserves his 3rd. |
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montecarlo wrote
at 3:06 AM, Friday February 15, 2008 EST i credit this strategy to das, as he was the first to explain it to me, and i use it now. this refers to your first situation. when youre about to attack someone who is weak, and use that to secure a 1st, but then they flag before you can attack, leaving you 2nd/3rd....
you attack them anyway, and say the following: i respect the position you flagged under (lets say 3rd), but i dont respect all your empty territory. no offense, i always play this way, and i need to expand to solidify my shot at 1st. (in other words, explain to them that they cant ninja flag then whine about it later) |
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dasfury wrote
at 7:40 AM, Friday February 15, 2008 EST Are you still patronizing me?
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montecarlo wrote
at 10:36 AM, Friday February 15, 2008 EST i am not patronizing. i might be condescending, hypocritcal, patronizing, and annoying, but i have never proxied.
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existential wrote
at 2:28 PM, Friday February 15, 2008 EST my opinion
1- if you're in 1st and someone below you flags, you should RESPECT the flag. unless, of course, the person who flagged is your only option of attack. they should not have blocked you and then flagged. 2- if someone flags in a higher position than you (i.e. you're in 4th, they're in 2nd), you should NOT RESPECT they're flag. it is your right to fight until the end. 3- if someone flags early on in the game to conserve their points, you should NOT RESPECT their flag. flagging is meant to be honorable, not cowardly. |
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§ilverfox wrote
at 5:06 PM, Friday February 15, 2008 EST I wish more people understood that flagging is simply saying "I'm good with my position, IF I CAN KEEP IT!" Emphasis there is important.
Sadly too many think that when they flag it is their god given right to that position. I do NOT respect weak flags for 2nd in the fifth round and I bluntly tell people that with a sarcastic, "2nd? Now? Seriously? I don't F*in' think so." I tend to be called the proverbial "ass hat" for this attitude, but I frankly don't care. I respect flags to me IF AND ONLY IF doing so does not jeopardize my position. And I tell people this. Ryan said explicitly that flagging does not guarantee you the position you flag for. I try to remind people of this and let 'em bitch and whine as they may. |
