I agree. PGA is just strategy. If I had to say something was cheap is 2v1. When 3 people are left, as long as none were in a PGA, there should be no last minute trucing, it should be an FFA, but if there was a PGA between 2 players, then it should continue since they had it since the beg. of the game.

So in other words, it's only not fair if it goes against you. Got it.

Imagine if there were PGAs in poker - two players always find a way to tell each other what cards they have... Or in any other such game. It doesn't work. It's simply not fair to the others playing. It may not violate any rule, per se, but it's cheating nonetheless.

clearly people should stop coming up with examples of obvious cheating, for which there are obvious and clear rules that are violated and say things like "it may not violate any rule, per say"

in card games, counting cards is cheating (in most places), certainly secret signals to other players is cheating -- THERE ARE RULES, "per se".

Cards are a rotten comparison to dice. And if Ryan says PGAs are cheating, guess what.

when did he say it?

have you ever heard of someone making rules for a game, after the fact -- or during the game?

generally only young children attempt to do that -- and generally its considered cheating.

When did Ryan say it? You mean besides in this very Forum?

i asked you when, and you answered where..

confused?

this one is too easy.

P.S.: rnd, Yeah, I do have a viable argument/explanation in response to the "you call PGAing cheating cuz I won, but you didn't" statement. And it took me a while, but I have one ;)

Directly violating a rule is only one accepted definition of cheating. Another definition is to "deceive by trickery" (Amer. Heritage Dictionary). Trickery is defined as "the use or practice of tricks or stratagems to deceive; artifice; deception" (ibid.).
A PGA is definitely a stratagem designed to deceive, as players enter a game thinking that no PGAs exist. Therefore, PGA is cheating.