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Table maximums
XCRobin wrote
at 11:03 PM, Sunday December 2, 2007 EST
I noticed that there seems to be a lot of people complaining about the top players always slumming in the bottom tables. Table maximums would solve many of those problems.

Under the elo system of kdice there were no strict table minimums. I once sat at a 0 table with Wishbone who was 2100+ at the time. He won, and still lost points. The ability to lose points even while winning a game created effectively a table maximum. It forced people to play people similar to their scores.

Under the new system people are allowed to sit with anyone (provided they are above 10 points or under 100). This has both pros and cons. While I believe that it is generally a good idea to let the “echelons” of kdice to mix, it has created problems. There seems to be a persistent thread on the forums of people complaining about the 17k player who is sitting at a 10 table hoping for an easy 100 points. Maybe they’ll reply that there aren’t enough high games to get a game going. However, table maximums would create more high-table traffic, eliminating many of the problems that the under 1k players experience.

The best competition you can find all month is on the 0 tables, at least in the two months that I’ve been playing since not having an account in the top 25. The games are great, fast-paced, and pretty ruthless. By not allowing anyone with over 100 points to sit, it creates somewhat of a bubble where better players emerge from, and the lesser players learn the skills to eventually compete on the 200 or the 1k tables.

I propose table maximums of:
0 table: 100 points
10 table: 500 points
200 table: 4k points
1k table: No maximum at this point.

I’d like to see what other people think of this idea. Table maximums would promote more games on the higher tables, would reduce the number of top 25 players trolling the lower tables, and would promote greater competition towards the end of the month. Heh, I just hope that this doesn’t force me to start worrying about my points again.

Think about it.

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XxDiceyGirlxX wrote
at 11:17 PM, Sunday December 2, 2007 EST
I agree with all that you have said with one exception...

I would rather contract chlamydia of the eye than play on a 0 table.

So I would also propose in accompanying table maximums, a baseline number of points that people get -- like the 1500 score. 0 would be the table you play when you dip below that.

Snews88 wrote
at 12:25 AM, Monday December 3, 2007 EST
I hope you do not get chlamydia of the eye on you, DiceyGirl! But having to play a couple of games on 0 tables at the beginning of the month is good for everybody. It's democratic, and gives a chance for noobs (hey, we've all been there) to observe and learn the ins and outs of the game -- tactical, political, and, above all, etiquette.
XCRobin wrote
at 12:45 AM, Monday December 3, 2007 EST
I think that starting off at 0 is perfectly fine, and yes, they are good for everyone. I just think that someone who has a score of 13,567 shouldn't be able to sit with someone who has 14.
nuflis wrote
at 4:00 AM, Monday December 3, 2007 EST
XCRobin:

August 0 games
September 0 games
October 0 games
November 0 games
December 0 games

Ahem, despite I agree you about the table maximums.... do you remember anything about this game?
MadHat_Sam wrote
at 9:44 AM, Monday December 3, 2007 EST
Yes, I think this is a good idea, like A+++ idea that I will support again. I would love to go back to actually having people compete for the top25 instead of just raking the 10 and 200 tables at the end of the month.
_\o/_ wrote
at 12:32 PM, Monday December 3, 2007 EST
i fully agree with Robin ... well thought out
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also ... i agree about the ocular chlamydia
Wicked! wrote
at 3:20 PM, Monday December 3, 2007 EST
XC, I disagree with the 200 table part.
There is that time when the leaders get over 4, but 1k games don't come along very often. The maximum for 200 tables would very much prevent them from growing further.

Though I suppose with the limits put in place that would force more 1k games to happen, so I'm not sure.

Either way good idea and I support.

One more thing:
Ryan said that in the new layout of kdice there wouldn't be any 5k or 25k tables just to put that out there. That was last month when there was the test server.
Asshat wrote
at 1:06 PM, Tuesday March 11, 2008 EDT
Bump.
kdicefreak wrote
at 5:36 PM, Tuesday March 11, 2008 EDT
ryan's goal to to mix people up so that the so called elict players can play at the kids table if they want to.

i don't think we should restrick them.....they have as much right as anybody to play at any table they want.....BUT.....

if they are playing at the kids table, if they lose, they should lose more points and if they win, they should earn less points......in a way, a kind of elo system has to be applied.......

you dont see a heavy weight fighting a fair weight in boxing, right?.....so if such a system is allowed here, penalty should be applied in order to make things fair......
MadHat_Sam wrote
at 7:03 PM, Tuesday March 11, 2008 EDT
hey kdicefreak it sounds like you want the elo system back, that worked real well...
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