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The new place scoring system cracked
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skrumgaer wrote
at 10:04 AM, Tuesday October 2, 2007 EDT
The new scoring system for place is not a poker style system unless we provide for a different ante per stage. I have worked out a poker style equivalent of what is happening with the scoring for place.
The place scores are invariably -36, -28, -20, -9, +9, +31, and +54 for seventh through first place respectively. A pay-in system that yields these numbers is as follows. Initial ante is 36 points per player. Second stage survivors pay in 5.6 points each. Third stage survivors pay in 11.2 points each. Fourth stage survivors pay in 16.2 points each. Fifth stage survivors play in 15 points each. Sixth stage survivors (the two finalists) pay in nothing. Under this system, it is no longer true that "fifth is the new seventh". It costs relatively few points to try for sixth or fifth. The increase pay in per state is like increased bet size in each round of poker. The maximum number of points in play is 360 points when there are four players. I have not yet worked out the system for dom, but the points in play don't seem to be as many as for place. |
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skrumgaer wrote
at 10:05 AM, Tuesday October 2, 2007 EDT Correction: third place is +8, not +9.
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ma1achai wrote
at 10:26 AM, Tuesday October 2, 2007 EDT It seems that under this system a final 1st vs 2nd place fight is worth fighting now... now that the last two are no longer paying into the position points pot.
Last night I went heads up with another and we started relatively even, accept he had a better position on me. I thought I'd give it a few rounds to make sure that I couldn't pull out the victory. We went back and forth for a bit and then the other guy started winning. My surrender value as never changing, however, so I kept on going. Eventually, he had 2 to every 1 of my territories (at least) and eventually my Dom kicked in and I lost a point. Finally, I flagged and the game was over. It was kinda nice that I was able to try for first place without it killing me, though. It wasn't just an automatic flag when I lost position at first. Made it more fun and a bit suspenseful. However... the 36 points absolutely kills you when you have a couple of crap starts in a row. I went from 185 to 0 and back and forth a couple of times yesterday. Quite a rollercoaster ride... |
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Toorn wrote
at 2:31 PM, Tuesday October 2, 2007 EDT These numbers support my impression from a few games, that it now is not worth to try for anything below 3rd place.
If your dom stays the same you loose: 36 points for 7th, 28 + 5.6 = 34 for 6th, 20 + 5.6 + 11.2 = 36.6 for 5th 9 + 5.6 + 11.2 + 16.2 = 42 for 4th And scoring 4th place normally won't leave you with too much dom to compensate for that loss. Also the pay-in should be avoidable when you flag / get killed in the time between another guy leaving the field and your next turn. |
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§ilverfox wrote
at 6:02 PM, Tuesday October 2, 2007 EDT That's outstanding news skrumgaer! Thanks for digging this up. I suppose it's there for us all to see, but lazy people like me just didn't pay attention. :)
Thanks! (And thanks, Ryan, for the change. I personally like it a lot) |
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Ssergio wrote
at 6:23 PM, Tuesday October 2, 2007 EDT Not to be posh about my score but what's the factor in the 200+ room??
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XIIV wrote
at 6:29 PM, Tuesday October 2, 2007 EDT New scoring system is good. I for one, think it's a "score"
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skrumgaer wrote
at 7:25 PM, Tuesday October 2, 2007 EDT Toom:
I worked out my numbers under the assumption that the place payback is the same: 0/21 for seventh, 1/21 for sixth, 2/20 of the rest for fifht, 3/18 of the rest for fourth, etc. The effect with paybacks is -36 for 7th, -28 for 6th, -20 for 5th, -9 for fourth. You see the big gains come with fourth or better. But once in the game, no sense to stay in 7th and get a 36-point shellacking, not to mention dom. |
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skrumgaer wrote
at 7:50 PM, Tuesday October 2, 2007 EDT I am researching the dom score now. Here are the stats for a player eliminated on the second round:
Malcolm2K finishes 7th in round 2. Rank: 2050th Score: -36 to 0â—†. (-36 for 7th and +0 for dominance) Malcolm2K stands up Under the old rules, if you were eliminated in the first three rounds, you had the worst dom possible. But here that is not the case. A glitch or an intentional change? My research on dom continues. |
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gohstlee wrote
at 12:48 AM, Wednesday October 3, 2007 EDT Why is there a need to figure this out empirically, even time the scoring changes. Some people just want to play the damn game, and not solve an equation. It's not too much to ask that the scoring be published by the proprietor, at least in some general fashion. Knowing how you get a certain score is part of understanding how to play the game correctly. In poker, the rules are revealed before you start the game. Not here! Why not? Why has this game always been so mysterious about the scoring? Because it might change? So what? It's better to get a month's playing time knowing what to expect, instead of taking the first week or two figuring out the rules, which will only change again next month.
This game is turning me into a whiny bitch. It's starting to be not worth the effort. I play *casually*, which means 1 or 2 games a day, on average. The scoring rules should be revealed. |
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gohstlee wrote
at 11:59 AM, Wednesday October 3, 2007 EDT To further my analogy, it's like playing poker without being told whether a flush beats a straight.
Make the scoring rules public!! ;-) |
