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Totally New Scoring system
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Big Jumblies wrote
at 12:17 PM, Monday September 3, 2007 EDT
I know there have been some complaints about the new scoring system. I know Ryan and Sinth put a lot of hard work, time and effort into making the changes and I sure hope it wasn't all for nothing.
I think one of the main reasons people don't like the new scoring system is because it resets everything they have worked for. Take a look at my profile for example. It took several months to get to where I ended up. I worked very hard for 2 months to get my rating up to 2000. Once I got there, it was more uphill battles, building relationships with higher ranked players and gaining their respect. I remember thinking, boy it would be cool to get in the top 100. I managed 33. Then I was determined to get in the top 25. I made it within minutes of the end of the month, to be knocked back to 26 ironically by Mikeypoo. August, all my work seemed to pay off, and I managed 2nd place... I am still somewhat amazed at this accomplishment and looked forward to playing with the "big boys" for another month to see what happens. It's quite an emontional roller coaster ride to lose and gain elo knowing that you might have a chance to catch up if you can win a few games. The new system doesnt give that emotioanl 'high'. Basically what I'm saying is the new scoring system resets everything. So I kind of feel like all that work was for nothing. I'm just saying maybe thats why people are so upset. How will future months work, will it reset every month? |
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Tommen wrote
at 12:34 PM, Monday September 3, 2007 EDT i don't think a very high percentage of players experience the problem that they worked their way up to 2nd place on the site before getting their score wiped out.
one thing i haven't heard anybody mention is the psychological impact of playing 90% of the time where you have a negative number in the corner that says "if you quit now, you lose X number of points for participating in this game". Contrast this with poker, where you spend the whole game thinking "if I suck out a win, I *win* X amount of money". Sitting there thinking "ugh, i'm going to lose points for playing" in all but the 1 out of 7 times that you build up a dominant position, and then even in those 1 out of 7 times, only spending the 2nd half of the game looking at a positive score for quitting ... that's gotta do something to your psyche |
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GoldenNapoleon wrote
at 1:25 PM, Monday September 3, 2007 EDT Having only played 12 games in the new scoring I might not be too experienced, but my five cents:
At this moment I tend to loose more often than I win. I constantly end up with negative points, but, as deducting from Zero is not feasible, it does not sting as much as before. I tend to do too long sets in each game, loosing more points than necessary simply because I like _to play_ - thus redusing scores for more able players, as I meddle and fiddle my way through the board. The psycological factor of looking at negative numbers definately hava an impact on my gameplay. |
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nuflis wrote
at 5:56 PM, Monday September 3, 2007 EDT I totally agree you BJ, it was a hard work for me too to reach 2K and top 20.
Now, we have to start again. Well, let's go, you'll do it. The monthly reset (if that's the system) will be annoying, as I told in another thread, the new system avoid long term strategies, in a game and along the time. At the other hand, while I have fun playing, I'll stay playing. |
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Sinth wrote
at 6:54 PM, Monday September 3, 2007 EDT Just remember, BJ: your getting into 2k wasn't merely about your ELO eventually rising into 2k; it was also about you becoming a 2k player.
Your acquired skills will not be lost in the new system. |
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cadpilot wrote
at 7:40 PM, Monday September 3, 2007 EDT I've done some really hard work before, too. And in a few cases, even hard work didn't help when the outcome was a dog. :(
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I_suck wrote
at 7:49 PM, Monday September 3, 2007 EDT Sniff.. the saddest part was I made it to 2k just a couple months before the reset...Also, I wish the old scores were just left on our profile so I could be like, see, I'm awesome, blah blah blah. Right now I'm just some pompous jerk. I should have taken a screen shot or something.
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Ryan wrote
at 11:01 PM, Monday September 3, 2007 EDT Dicelord: what about the issue of spam?
I'm not sure I understand the point about hard work. Isn't it better that we worked hard and figured out the best possible revision then just taking a guess? We went through a reasonable process of change where we evaluated the merits of the changes live with hundreds of players every day for a month. We found bugs, we revised further to make things fair. |
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Ryan wrote
at 12:21 AM, Tuesday September 4, 2007 EDT 1) Hard work is the best way we can make things better. And listening to people is a large part of this hard work. My response to "this sucks" is "I'm trying hard". I think this is a fair response.
2) I'm glad we agree that past performance was good. The point here is that the last time a large change was made like this a bunch of people also didn't like it and flooded the forums with "this sucks" or "i quit". There are always a certain percentage than love changes and a percentage that hate changes... no matter how good or bad the change is. I think your trying to point out that I think the new scoring is good simply because we worked hard and did good things in the past. This is entirely not the case. I'm confident that the new scoring system is good because the numbers work seemlessly without side effects, talking to many people about the scoring, seeing strange cases in the old scoring disapear without additional work, and testing/refining for 30 days with hundreds of people. |
