Amen sister.

Sarah, if I wasnt here for the competition, I'd just go outside and talk to people or call a friend. I don't come to kDice because I can't make freinds in the real world, I come because I want to play.

When you have a group of people who use Instant messages to contact each other, who always attack others and help each other finish higher in the standings, THIS BEHAVIOR RUINS THE COMPETITION!

The cabal had all the high finishes in the past several months. Nobody ever finished top 2 without serious cheating. It sucks that we're playing a game that you must cheat, if you want to win!

If the community policed itself and everyone attacked the cheaters, it would be possible for legit players like Cleo to win one month.

I mean, amen anonymous stranger. :)

This is why I'd like to have a table where the ONLY objective is to WIN. (see my idea about a table which records no rank points). The game is always broken by people negotiating for position to improve rank (or mouthing off if they lose rank) - a lot of cheating and bad-feeling over stat gain/loss would be instantly eliminated on a table where the only point of the game is the game itself, i.e. one winner, six losers. No stats kept except posibly games played on that table, and games won on that table (giving you a win percentage and nothing else).

I do like the idea of sucha table. I always play to win. That's way my rating always stays low:)

Whether you come to win or to make friends, the concept is the same... you are playing humans and humand are little shits.

But for that to turn into what is going on, I don't agree. The fun is sucked out of the game both by those who play unfairly and those who spend every minute trying to find everyone who might/could/was implied in this.

I stepped away from all the complex interactions that went hand in hand with the ganging up and so forth and in a way, that is all you are able to do.

If you want a fair and square game? Go play DiceWr and even then, I am sure most of us will be screaming: "Why did you do that?" as if it was the computer's sole purpose to ruin your game, wait... that is his sole purpose.

Point is, 1 individual should not take on the role of a cop. Why? They would become a highly subjective source of information and they probably don't have the credentials.

Anyone who comes in as an outsider or who walks away to take on a different perspective must be amazed at what goes on in chat at times. He did and they did and he truced and they ganged up and I got them and I saw that...
Do any of you tell your friends outside of the KDice world, "You know what? I am part of the maffia on this online game and I am so cool." or "I am the cop in this online gaming community of about 200 regular players, ain't that neat?"
I would stare at this person, laugh or run away.

People will IM, people will find ways to win that aren't within the rules (What rules are those anyway?), within your unwritten rules and though it IS annoying and frustrating it is also human nature.

So come up with a way that helps counter this that includes more people than 1 individual so it becomes less like a farce.
I don't know what way that is because I am sure if you had a button to report someone and after 100 reports of different I.P. people, that person would get banned, there would be some sad individual who would find nothing better to do than log into 100 different names with 100 different I.P. addresses to click that button to get someone who once, dare I say, attacked him in the game.

Couldn't we just play the game.

I agree Nortius, been wanting a table where no points are handed out and where you play anyone from any rank if you wanted to at no cost. Just for the fun of the game :).

Point is, 1 individual should not take on the role of a cop. Why? They would become a highly subjective source of information and they probably don't have the credentials.


OH SNAP.

now i remember why i loved this game. playing with people who are fun to be with. i miss you sarah.

Sister abigail, ;)
As always i agree with most of your points.
But selp-policing is a normal evolutionary part of most gaming and virtual communities.

The best part of kdice is it lack of laws and guidelines and that is its curse as well.

But i have also gotten tired of accusations and counter-accusations.

You seem to be asking how do we get beyond all of this. Its a good question. We cant ban everybody that "cheats" and we cant ban the people that make the allegations of cheating.
I wish i knew what to do. Its an important discussion to have...

For now I just try to have fun with my Kdice friends and i try to make new ones. Which is how i got addicted in the first place.

Miss you also Monte so... get to playing :).

Mikey, I would somewhat agree that self-policing is part of any community. But, without a set of rules to follow there are as many rules as there are crimes if you want.

So in here, unless moderators are appointed who would have to remain fully neutral there will never be such a thing as self-policing that will get us anywhere closer to some form of order. Thought the self in self-policing would be... others, hmmm. Anyway, swiftly moving on....

Since self-policying really starts with each individual deciding what is right or wrong for themselves, it won't happen in a coherent democratically backed up way :).

So maybe you would have to click a button 1000 times to report someone, would keep the people busy that are abusing the option and we get to play in peace.

Seriously, it would help if we found a way, a well-thought through plan. No fixed rules, only fixed punishments :). See, finding consistency in this will be complicated :).
Anyway, let's play a game :).