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moving towards a new scoring model
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Ryan wrote
at 8:34 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT
It's time to start considering a refinement to the scoring model to address a couple issues.
1. The complexity of having elo and score can be confusing 2. The lack of a monthly ELO reset leads to a a possible long term elistist attitude for many top players. Some of you will remember that the scoring has gone through a couple changes before and they have been positive. The goal hear is to keep the positive changes and make another refinement. The model that I'll test for new scoring will be like Gpokr, (which works really well). There will be no ELO, only points. There will be 50/200/1000/5000 point tables. The game point adjustments will seem very similar to ELO so game strategy will stay the same. For example you'd gain 20-50 points for winning a game and loose 20-30 points for loosing. The difference from ELO is that point adjustments won't be relative to others score. Insted of ELO minimum tables there will be point minimum tables. At higher tables the amounts of points gained or lost is greater. For example at a 5000 table you could gain or loose up to 5000 points per game. Thoughts? |
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Cleo_ wrote
at 8:42 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT My first thought is that I dont understand anything... But the previous changes were for better, so I hope the new ones will be for better also ;)
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leekstep wrote
at 8:43 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT Sounds like a great change! I expect that it will take some time to refine the system, but I think it will be best in the long run.
I wish there was a "sit and go" format where all players join and are assigned to tables at random. That way you have no idea who you are playing against and you cannot control who you sit with. |
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Ryan wrote
at 8:55 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT As an example, You would probably find new players hovering from 1000-5000 points over a month. Players that are really good would have scores over 100,000 or maybe even millions.
At the moment the table levels act as a ladder for increasing your score although for an ELO system this is wrong. With the point system the ladder is natural. |
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Cody wrote
at 9:18 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT Ryan, will it be possible to have a couple "higher" tables so to speak. Nearer to the end of the month, with score resets looming, people might want to take a risk to make a play for the lead. GPokr makes this possible with people being able to bet 2 million at a time, just from sit in. I believe that having some higher tables, or atleast the ability to wager more, would add a little more excitement as the month comes to an end. It would also stop people from sitting back if they gain a significant lead from a nice streak. The knowledge that someone is 50,000 points back might let you rest easy if they can only gain 5k points at a time, and will likely lose many as well. However, if somebody is capable of risking everything to make a move, you can't sit back. The other thing i see with the betting is, a bet in gpokr takes a minute, while a game of kdice takes 10, the chances of somebody climbing to the millions fairly, is very slim.
The only issue I see with that is you might see something very similar to the "doubling up", massive refill play style that plagues gpokr. Also I assume that their will be a refill or base score? Or will people be able to go into the negatives? Finally, when you say 20-50 points, does that mean our ingame play will affect how much of the total we bet we get back? with 2:1 for our bet being the maximum? If so, could you go into detail on what will determine our scores, and what that means for each placement 1-7, assuming this is not win-lose. -CoMik- P.S. Does this mean we can bring back the sand box? good times... |
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rnd wrote
at 9:26 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT great. when?
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montecarlo wrote
at 9:27 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT if the ex-"cabal" members rise to the top, can you please reward us with ego medals?
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ChelseaSucks wrote
at 10:58 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT One big question here...... You say it will be like Gpokr, does that mean only first gets points and the other 6 players lose points? Because if thats the case I feel like a lot of people will quit. Gpokr you can fold bad cards and minimize losses. Kdice doesnt lend it self to betting nor can you minimize a terrible start so I'm not quite sure how that'll work
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Louis Cypher wrote
at 11:31 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT Hm - I think the current system works quite well. Only thing that should be changed is that you can't rest on high ELO. There should be a decrease on ELO (or whatever, the problem will reappear with the new system anyways) for every day you don't play.
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MadHat_Sam wrote
at 12:15 PM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT Sounds confusing, and I phear change. I like the current system fine and I never really feel like I have big head because of my elo.
That said, if you feel the current system creates problems then I look forward to seeing the changes as long as game play isn't dictated too much from new scoring models. Any change that encourages conservadice would not encourage further donations or play. |
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super strut wrote
at 4:00 PM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT Dear Ryan.
Please don´t change the ELO-rating system! It´s one of the fascinating aspects of this game. I also don´t like the idea of the monthly reset. Some players stopped playing after the reset in february/march, and I´m convinced there will be a lot of players following them with this new system. There is a very big difference in the gamestyle between 2k-tables and lower tables. I know this, cause I´m playing on both... with aixo and super strut. And what should I say? I enjoy the games on the 2k-tables much more (also if I´m loosing points) then on the lower tables. Six or seven month ago you said, that this game is about diplomacy and anti-diplomacy as well, that it is about psychology, about forecast the next moves of your opponents... and I should say: YES! It is! It´s the amzing part of this game... on the 2k-tables! It´s easier to forecast the moves of 2k-players then of 1.5k-players. ´Cause 2k-players have got a similiar experience, and they don´t do to risky moves... But that´s the way I enjoy this game. Playing on 1.5k- or 1.6k-tables is much more like a game of luck or hazard... and less about challenging the skills. And fight in this hazard/luck-swamp each month again and again to have at least some nice games in the end of the month? NO THANKS!!! You say that 95% of the players don´t like Team-playing... what do you mean about this? Playing the "cabal"-method, to fortify just one player is the one thing, a simply PGA the next, but what is this thing what I call OTF - Old trusted friendships... Cleo made a great list of different steps between an OTF and PGA and the cabal-method. But where is the imaginary line between playing well and "cheating"?!? I remember you to your quote some lines above... I don´t think that you solve this problem with a new scoring system. Some players will always find some ways to "cheat", some lacks in this system. But they will do this once, to demonstrate how clever they are, but not again and again... that´s boring! But the rest - all these shades between the cabal method and the good old dicewars - are part of the system. A system YOU decided to make as simple as possible... Why you´re so upset now? |