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Making pre-game alliances transparent
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skrumgaer wrote
at 2:07 PM, Monday June 4, 2007 EDT
In listening to some of the discussions at the tables I have heard the phrase "making pre-game alliances transparent". Ryan probably has enough data to make this possible.
There are two characteristics of pretrucers that should make them detectable from their stats. First, to be effective pre-trucers, they have to sit at the same table. So for all pairs of players eligible to sit at a particular class of table, pre-trucers will have a higher frequency of co-sit-ins than other pairs of players at the same level of table. Ryan can detect these with a "sociogram" of all player pairings. Second, pre-trucers are less likely to attack each other than non-pre-trucers in the same game. Thus, for all player pairs, pretrucers will have fewer attacks against each other per co-sit-in than other pairs of players that are not pretruced. For seven players at a table, there are 2,520 possible pairs (or is it 1,125?). It shouldn't be too hard for Ryan to write a program that calculates the co-sit-in and co-attack rate for the pairs and mark the ones that are likely pretrucers. |
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________________ wrote
at 2:44 PM, Monday June 4, 2007 EDT no. this doesn´t work. perhaps for a special kind of pretrucers. but not for these ones like me with a wide field of "old trusted friendships"...
sometimes I see a player on a table, which I didn´t saw for weeks or month´s. And it´s also not planned to play this game as PGA. But we do it. ´cause we´re friends. It´s only another way to play this game. Sometimes we play a couple of games together, sometimes only one game. And it´s funny. Sometimes I play also a one-sided PGA. Forget this shit ybout pga or not. Look out for friends and enjoy this social multiplayer game... |
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skrumgaer wrote
at 6:33 PM, Monday June 4, 2007 EDT ______:
It seems to have worked in your case. You confessed even before they brought out the lie detector. |
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cadpilot wrote
at 6:59 PM, Monday June 4, 2007 EDT Skrum -
For pairs of possible players pretrucing, out of 7, it should be (7 2) = 7!/(5!*2!) = 21 possible pairs of pretrucers in a game. |
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kwizatz wrote
at 8:04 PM, Monday June 4, 2007 EDT That's assuming it's only 2 trucers in a game.
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firebus wrote
at 1:49 AM, Tuesday June 5, 2007 EDT I agree with ________________, there's a continuum of PGA, and some of it is really impossible to avoid, unless you want to suggest that people recuse themselves from playing at tables with people they know.
If I'm playing on table with someone I know, I'm going to attack them if it's the best move for my game. But if I have a choice between otherwise equal (or equalish) options, I'm probably going to attack the person I don't know as well. Likewise if I sit at a table with someone who I just had a successful truce with in a previous game, I'm less likely to attack them. BUT I think that skrumgaer's solution is a really good one! Even if I'm not doing something despicably bad (just mildly bad) by respecting my friends, there's no reason that shouldn't be transparent. Perhaps it would be ideal to calculate and display a PGA rating for all pairs on the table, so that true PGA would be distinguishable from friendly players. |
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carolus MAGNUS wrote
at 5:12 AM, Tuesday June 5, 2007 EDT skrum said: ______: It seems to have worked in your case. You confessed even before they brought out the lie detector.
No. That´s not true. I never made a secret out of it! Look into my profile to see the kdice-hooligan-rules: ______________________________________________ a kdice hooligan should play insane... but well! He´s a good tactical player, but he doesn´t care his placement! So he give´s save 1st-position to other players he like... to friends, respectfull players, great antagonists... he´s playing pga naturally, but he is as well addicted to unspoken truces and alliances - they are the best thing that will happen in a game! A real great game will have minimum 6 players after round 45 - and all should still have a chance to win this game! These are the first rules for the kdice-hooligans! ______________________________________________ I never made a secret out of it. Also with my other accounts I made severel fights pro "Old trusted friendships/PGA" in this Forum. |